Retired jockey and all-round legend Pat Smullen joins Jarlath for a fascinating conversation about his life and career. Pat bravely speaks about the shock pancreatic cancer diagnosis which forced him to retire, the questions over animal rights in horse racing and how his embarrassment about how he behaved as a father and husband due to his obsession with horse racing. From the lengths that he went to in order to keep his weight down as a jockey, to his belief that cancer sits and waits to feed on negativity, and the generosity he has witnessed in the horse racing industry, this is a refreshing and enlightening conversation with one of Ireland’s legends of horse racing.